Well, this is kind of a winge, but i hope more of a constructive discussion on how to get around the ABCs obnoxious DRM, that they have unleashed of late on the iView website. A few days ago I missed both Stan Grant's "Matter a fact" and "the world" and wanted to download them to my computer to watch at a place and time that suited me. I tried both chrome's flash video downloader, and a command prompt alternative called youtube-dl. I still have to try video-downloader in Firefox. As of this moment, I've had no luck on downloading anything, Chromes flash downloader did download a 115 meg container file that was empty. What the ABC is stubbornly not wanting to understand that it is perfectly legal for a person to download a show for format shifting, that is to download to a computer, then change the codec to watch on another device in another location. Unfortunately Whirlpool where most of this discussion took place have been gagged by the copyright mafia, and any discussion regarding circumventing iViews DRM is immediately deleted. It seems of late, the technique on downloading a show from iView has become very difficult to come by.